James Tanner: PLUS/MINUS: Analytics Just one single MINUS today.

Why can't we know the truth about everything?
I have an open mind, and enjoy learning new things.
Changing history books would be costly I bet.

Why can't we know the truth about everything?
I have an open mind, and enjoy learning new things.
Changing history books would be costly I bet.
- shoreorrpark

That's a pretty good poem.

Being wrong is one of the best things you can ever be, because you learn.

You're wrong all the time and you appear to learn nothing.

That's a pretty good poem.
- James_Tanner

Thanks.
I call it....Feed Me.

You're wrong all the time and you appear to learn nothing.
- fry

Thanks for helping to prove my point.

I'm only wrong in your opinion and don't learn anything because I don't go to your side. But my side is the side of facts, so I could just say the same thing about you...................... (but maybe you're the one who's right and I'm the one who is wrong. How would we know?)

So hopefully you see how non-constructive what you're doing is.

However, at this point, I've made an actual argument and you have not. All you're doing is being a part of the problem my mocking people in the comments section.

Wow a concise and reasoned explanation that will go absolutely nowhere - You hear guys talk of F-O % and blocked shots like it's Gospel - I don't know how accurate or smart having a team based solely on analytics would be ... I do know it should be incorporated into the thinking process of building a team but to what degree ....
watching the Ducks consistently you see where it could be employed better - against Col the other night the Lanche announcers were railing against how overrated F-O % is as the Lanche are 3rd in the league - makes me think there could be more to this than gets talked about by the so called experts out there -

Thanks for helping to prove my point.

I'm only wrong in your opinion and don't learn anything because I don't go to your side. But my side is the side of facts, so I could just say the same thing about you...................... (but maybe you're the one who's right and I'm the one who is wrong. How would we know?)

So hopefully you see how non-constructive what you're doing is.

However, at this point, I've made an actual argument and you have not. All you're doing is being a part of the problem my mocking people in the comments section.
- James_Tanner

People prove you wrong on here all the time and you haven't changed your veiws about hockey at all.

You just wrote a whole blog on statistics that you don't analyze properly.

Can you give me the breakdown on why Brandon Sutter stinks? I keep telling Vantel this but he throws his offensive stats in my yap, which are good by the way, and I say, "ok, he's an ok bottom six center".

@LeftCoaster: What's your mailing address? I have a file I can send you.

James Tanner: PLUS/MINUS: Analytics
Just one single MINUS today.
- James_Tanner

I disagree James. Analytics arent covered because they are (frank)ing boring and make bad television. The bottom line is that TV time should be used for on ice action or personality. The average working man wants to watch a game, and between periods watch highlights, and maybe chuckle a bit at Don Cherry.

You can disagree but analytics, to the majority of viewers, is just bad television.

You're wrong all the time and you appear to learn nothing.
- fry

I agree with this, insomuch as, until Tanner starts using advanced statistic as directional, rather than absolute, he is part of the problem that he complains about.

I disagree James. Analytics arent covered because they are (frank)ing boring and make bad television. The bottom line is that TV time should be used for on ice action or personality. The average working man wants to watch a game, and between periods watch highlights, and maybe chuckle a bit at Don Cherry.

You can disagree but analytics, to the majority of viewers, is just bad television.
- Larsson_fan

This seems like a very reasonable assessment to me.

But going on and on about a fairly pointless stat like faceoff percentages for a game is wretched TV as well last night's leafs announcers needed a smack up side the head cause it's all that was talked about so very annoying. But what's also annoying is trying to read a plus/minus article and it not being one at all James

Last night Hughson and Simpson blathered on all night about faceoffs. The Leafs were winning the game but to them it was more important that Ottawa was clobbering them on faceoffs. Really annoying.

But what's also annoying is trying to read a plus/minus article and it not being one at all James
- Toothgrinder

MINUS

People prove you wrong on here all the time and you haven't changed your veiws about hockey at all.

You just wrote a whole blog on statistics that you don't analyze properly.
- fry

What drives someone to be like you are on here? What do you get out of it?

Anyone who writes a daily blog is going to occasionally be wrong or put their foot in their mouth - and I do it all the time. But I do learn. I started here as a homer-cheerleader and then got into stats and learned about them on the fly, in public.

I don't know how to analyze them properly because that's a convenient talking point for you and makes it easier for you to dismiss them. Doesn't mean you're fully wrong though - I learn something knew everyday.

I disagree James. Analytics arent covered because they are (frank)ing boring and make bad television. The bottom line is that TV time should be used for on ice action or personality. The average working man wants to watch a game, and between periods watch highlights, and maybe chuckle a bit at Don Cherry.

You can disagree but analytics, to the majority of viewers, is just bad television.
- Larsson_fan

I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing. Spot on.

I disagree James. Analytics arent covered because they are (frank)ing boring and make bad television. The bottom line is that TV time should be used for on ice action or personality. The average working man wants to watch a game, and between periods watch highlights, and maybe chuckle a bit at Don Cherry.

You can disagree but analytics, to the majority of viewers, is just bad television.
- Larsson_fan

Fair point. I had this argument with my friend Gerry the other day. He just says'who cares"? And I see his point. If you're a fan and you'e not writing, gambling, or trying to get a job in the league - then most of these stats are for super nerds.

However, Gerry just watches on TV, he doesn't go on the internet and argue about who is better - and if you're going to do that, you should know stats.

But going on and on about a fairly pointless stat like faceoff percentages for a game is wretched TV as well last night's leafs announcers needed a smack up side the head cause it's all that was talked about so very annoying. But what's also annoying is trying to read a plus/minus article and it not being one at all James
- Toothgrinder

haha OK you got me there.

What drives someone to be like you are on here? What do you get out of it?

Anyone who writes a daily blog is going to occasionally be wrong or put their foot in their mouth - and I do it all the time. But I do learn. I started here as a homer-cheerleader and then got into stats and learned about them on the fly, in public.

I don't know how to analyze them properly because that's a convenient talking point for you and makes it easier for you to dismiss them. Doesn't mean you're fully wrong though - I learn something knew everyday.
- James_Tanner

You have way more balls than Fry, Tanner. It takes a ton of grit to put up with the abuses I see thrown your way.

I always enjoy your blogs regardless of whether I agree with them or not.

Last night Hughson and Simpson blathered on all night about faceoffs. The Leafs were winning the game but to them it was more important that Ottawa was clobbering them on faceoffs. Really annoying.
- Procrastinator

It's idiotic. Whatever the arguments about the best way to evaluate players, there is no doubt whatsoever that faceoffs are talked about to the point where they are blown out of all proportion, in terms of importance.

No one who takes a faceoff regularly in the NHL is bad or good enough that it matters at all. Everyone once in a while a goal is scored off a faceoff and people say that makes them important when really it's like a lottery winner saying "and they said the lottery was a waste of money."

You have way more balls than Fry, Tanner. It takes a ton of grit to put up with the abuses I see thrown your way.

I always enjoy your blogs regardless of whether I agree with them or not.
- Misterbator

Hey thanks, I appreciate you saying so.

You have way more balls than Fry, Tanner. It takes a ton of grit to put up with the abuses I see thrown your way.

I always enjoy your blogs regardless of whether I agree with them or not.
- Misterbator

Misterbator from Monkeytown, New Brunswick is the go-to when it comes to quantifying balls around here.

Oh and congrats on the new job over at editor in leaf